Ranking Lance Stroll

Greetings followers of Sidepodcast ! Jordan F1 here with an interesting story on the current Canadian Driver at Williams. I was planning to get this done a while ago but a slight problem occurred here in Tundraland…Namely the local (ice) Hockey Team – the Montreal Canadiens entered the playoffs and currently split the series  2 games apiece in a best of seven series over the New York Rangers. I give everyone in the Sidepodcast Nation fair warning that should the Canadiens go into the final round, well, they would still be playing Hockey at the same time as the Canadian GP, so except traffic to be crazier than normal…

So after three races, just how good is Williams’ new Canadian Driver, Lance Stroll ? Well, I have decided to rate him against all the F1 results of all the Canadian F1 drivers to find out. And guess what? In terms of results he’s better than Jacques Villeneuve !!!

No, I am not talking about the 1997 Champion here but his uncle, Jacques-Joseph Villeneuve who in 1981, drove the Arrows A3 at the Canadian and Caesar’s Palace Grand Prix. He also drove a RAM-March 01 at the 1983 Canadian Grand Prix. Back in the early 80’s The qualifying sessions actually meant something. Sure, they where used to determine the starting gird, the fastest of the driver’s laps being used to set the grid, but with 30 cars competing for 24 gird spots, 6 cars would be given a DNQ. Villeneuve’s Arrows in qualifying at Canada ranked 28th place, 7.518 seconds off pole. It was the same result at Caesar’s Palace – 28th place, 5.001 seconds of pole, and DNQ’ed. The change to RAM in 1983 did not help, although the grid was enlarged to 26 slots, Villeneuve got 27th place, 6.404 seconds from pole. Uncle Jacques got a grand total of 3 DNQ’s.

I am going to introduce something I call the “Villeneuve Penalty” here to make my life a little bit easier. With the possible exception of Berg, all the drivers not in the Villeneuve family raced under the points going down to 6th place and only your top x results counted per season. What also sort of magnifies this problem is that most Canadian F1 drivers took part in the classic years from 1961 – 1974, so you can basically rattle off 3,4,5 or 6 Legends of F1 who’s car needs to break down before anyone else can pick up a point… What I am going to do is score the non-Villeneuves under the present scoring system just to see if anyone ended a race in positions 7 to 10. Also remember that the Canadian Grand Prix has been held at Multiple venues. It was originally at Mosport Park from 1961 to 1967, 1969, and from 1971-1977; Circuit Mont-Tremblant held the Grand Prix in 1968 and 1970, and Saltire’s favourite circuit Circuit Ile Notre-Dame currently holds it from 1971 (barring a painted on scroll at the start/finish line and a renaming of the course…)

Peter B. Ryan entered a privateer Lotus 18/21 for the 1961 GP and crossed the finish line in 9th place, some 4 laps done from race winner Innes Ireland. As a side note 7th place went to Jim Clark also 4 laps done to Ireland The result was good enough for 0 points back and tied in 18th place in the World Drivers Championship. But using present scoring regulations he would have 2 points.

In 1963 an all-Canadian F1 team was formed and called Stebro and raced at Watkins Glen with a Formula Junior car and a Ford engine. Development problems meant that only one car could race with a borrowed Ford engine thus the DNP to 2nd Driver Ernie de Vos, but Peter Broeker did take the only Stebro to a 7th place finish, all be it some 22 laps down. Under today’s present scoring system, it is questionable as to whether Broeker does get 6 points or a NC result. I gave him the points.

Al Pearce – Drove 47 laps to gain a Not classified rating in 1967, being some 43 laps down on winner Jack Braham. Apparently the battery was dead on the grid and his mechanics had to change the battery, which cost Al about 6 laps. Once he started the race, He spun on the part of the track that is furthest from the pits, and could not start the car as his battery was dead (of the engine was waterlogged) take your pick as there was heavy rain tht day. So he ran the lengh of the track to get a battery, runs back to his car, replaces the battery himself and rejoins the race some 43 laps down…Which is how you can get a “NC” rating and have other cars ahead of you retire.

His DNS happened at Tremblat, Where he was 15.8 seconds off pole and dead last. Al stripped his engine overnight, found a tool jammed in the engine, but the could not rebuild the engine in time for the race to begin.

Finally we come to his most famous incident he appears to be the only F1 driver who was actually disqualified from a race for driving to slow !! How slow is too slow, you ask> Well at the 69 Grand Prix, he was on his 22nd lap when he was disqualified, the problem was that the leaders were on their 46th lap. This breaks down to being some 20 seconds per lap down on the leaders, taking into account that his two pit stops up to that time took 15 minutes and 10 minutes a piece ! Worst of all, he was fighting all the cars that where trying to pass him, regardless of how many laps ahead they where…After a very questionable block nearly took Jackie Stewart out of the race, Ken Tyrrell launched a formal complaint and had Pearce disqualified.

Eppie Wietzes – Was driving a factory Lotus Ford 49 alongside Clark and Graham Hill in the ’67 Grand Prix and managed to get up lap 69 when he suffered ignition failure due to the torrential rain that was coming down. Oddly enough Clark himself suffered the same problem further up the track and retired 12th. Poor Wietzes got disqualified for trying to get outside help to fix his engine. He then took a Braham-Ford to Mosport in ’74. Sadly, on lap 33 he was the 2nd retirement of the day due to engine troubles.

Bill Brack raced in three Canadian Grand Prix in ’68. 69, and 72. In 1968 he drove as a third driver for Lotus. But on the 18th lap he suffered a halfshalf failure and retired. In 1968, he drove for BRM and needed to have been fast enough to complete just one more lap to gain a classification of a 8th place finish. As it was, completing only 80 of an 90 lap race meant that you did not race enough of a distance to earn points. Therefore he was classified with a NC rating. In 1972 he spun his BRM out of the race in his 20th lap.

John Cordts – Entered a Privateer Braham in the 1969 Canadian Grand Prix but had to retire his car after 10 laps due to an oil leak. He was running 16th at the time, however, he was the fourth retirement of the race. But hey, Denny Hulme only lasted 9 laps of that race…

George Eaton – Raced in two GP’s in 1969, ten in 1970, and in the 1971 Canadian GP., all with the works BRM team. At Mont-Tremblant he had his highest finish in any Grand Prix, a 10th place placed finish some 5 laps down, which under today’s F1 point system would have gained him 1 point. He also gained a 11th and 12th placed finishes in their P153 and a 15th place in a 1971 P160. His remaining results where a mixture of DNQ’s and retirements.

John Cannon – Had enough strong races in the 1971 F1 European Championship series, impressing the people at BRM enough to run at Wakins Glen that year, where he came in 14th place and some 3 laps down. Even more bad news for him was that he was second last of the cars still running at the end of the race. Well, at least he beat John Surtess, who was some 5 laps down., so there’s that….

Allen Berg – Ahhhh, the utter awesomeness that was the 1986 Osella F1 car !!! Tied 2oth place with 0 points for the season. Berg landed this spot in mid season as Christian Danner was sent of to replace Arrows driver who injured himself outside of F1.

Gilles Villeneuve – 6 wins, 2nd place in the World Driver’s Championship in 1979, Grand Prix and Ferrari Driver Legend., 101 officially recognized points, 107 actual points scored. Not to mention his never say die attitude of driving blind in the rain because the car’s nose is broken and his shoved upwards at Ille Notre-Dame, in 1981, (He got 3rd place in that one) or racing his car back to the pits on only three wheels because not only has the left rear tyre exploded just after the pit entrance but he managed to break the axle by the time he was able to return to the pits on the next lap. And then there is always Dijon ’79 Where I am still asking who won because the winner’s race was just as forgettable as the wheel-banging battle between Villeneuve and Arnoux.

Jacques Joseph Charles Villeneuve – Currently Canada’s only World Championship Driver with 11 wins under his belt. 235 points over his career, and has some highlights of his own. First off, he was one oil leak away from being only the 2nd F1 driver to ever win his debute F1 driver, The pass on Schumacher on the outside at the Parabolica curve in Estroil in 1996, and finally the dive on Schumacher at Jerez for the 1997 Championship. The bad news for Jacques, Jr. was he stuck around F1 too long in lousy cars…

So obviously Gilles Villeneuve and Jacques Villeneuves, (Jr) are Canada’s numbers 1 and 2 F1 drivers, and all things considered, I would say that is the proper ranking between the two of them, and using today’s race results rankings Broeker, Ryan and Eaton would follow for their 6, 2 and 1 point career point totals respectfully. Berg is next for hauling an Osella, of all things to a 12th place finish, then Cannon for completing his race in 14th.

For the bunch that have never finished a race yet, and sadly I have to include Stroll in this group, Uncle Jacques Villeneuve has to be the worst, as he never even crossed the start line of a race, followed by Pease for not even crossing the start line once, the disqualification, Brack for two retirements, and although though no fault in his own at Bahrain, Stroll is between Brack and Pease. Finally the best of the worst are Wietzes and Cordts. I refused to rate De Vos, as since he did not have a car and was not even able to Practice, he was a much as a spectator as those of us who paid admission to see a Canadian Grand Prix.

In table format, from best to worst, are Jordan F1’s rankings of all Canadian F1 drivers:

Rank Driver Team (s) Year (s) Active Races Decent Placements Points
1 Gilles Villeneuve McLaren, Ferrari 1977-1982 68 6 wins 101
2 Jacques (Jr) Villeneuve Various teams 1996-2006 165 11 wins 235
3 Peter Broeker Canadian Strebro Racing 1963 1 7th 0 (6 pts)
4 Peter Ryan J. Wheeler Autosport 1961 1 9th 0 (2 pts)
5 George Eaton BRM 1969-1971 13 10th, 11th, 12th, 15h 0 (1 pt)
6 Allen Berg Osella 1986 9 12th, 13th, 16th , NC 0 pts.
7 John Cannon BRM 1971 1 14th 0 pts
8 John Cordts Brabham 1969 1 Ret 0 pts.
9 Eppie Wietzes Lotus, Brabham 1967, 1974 2 DSQ, Ret 0 pts
10 Bill Brack Lotus/BRM 1968-1969,1972 3 2x Ret, 1 NC 0 pts.
11 Lance Stroll Williams Current 3 3x Ret 0 pts
12 Al Pease Eagle 1967-169 3 NC,DNS, DSQ 0 pts
13 Jacques Villeneuve Arrows / RAM 1981, 1983 3 3x DNS 0 pts
Ernie de Vos Canadian Stebro 1963 1 DNQ 0 pts

So there you go.  All 14 of Canada’s fourteen F1 drivers ranked in order from best to worst on the basis of their F1 results.  If you wish, you can make comments longer than 140 characters, I the meantime I bid you adieu and Go Habs Go !


Plans for 2014.

I must say that I have been pretty hopeless last year in doing my resolutions so there are times where one should just sit back re-evaluate and try something easier. The only thing that I completed from the resolutions was to see the 2013 Hamilton Air Show.

This year I have few plans of what I want to do this year and I hope to accomplish them. Here’s the important stuff:

1) Keep the current job that I have.

2) Get a passport. I want to do this last year, but I think a new password that is good for 10 years has been finally cleared for public use.

3) See the 2014 Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal and make it a sidepodcast Vacation.

Followed by the nice to do stuff.

4) Head off to the Toronto Metro Zoo to see the Giant Pandas there.

5) See the new Aquarium that Toronto has.

6) Go on 12 hikes this year.

7) Do 20 dives this year.

8) Be part of a Sidepodcast Radio show, if there is one this year.

On the model front, I have a couple of ideas to play with. Details may be revealed in my models section of the blog called “Conversion Corner”.

9) 10 miniatures a week, for a yearly total of 520 figures.

10) A diorama called “At the Crease, vs. the Habs”

11) Make a conversion model using an Airfix Anne Boleyn model figure

So those are my plans for 2014, what’s yours?

The return of the Resolutions.

Greetings  everyone, belated Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year in 2013 and finally,  welcome to my little corner of the web.  Over the course of the year I mean to fix up this site and get it back and going the way I would like too.  Sorry for the lack of material over the past year but work has kept me a little bit busier than expected last year and hopefully I can arrange a better balance between the two. 

Back in 2011, I made a list of of New Year’s Resolutions, and I think I will bring that back for this year.  I would like to make a list of ten resolutions this year but so far I only have five.  Would any of  you care to give me a hand as I only have nine?

  1. Go to the Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal this year.
  2. paint 365 miniatures to 3rd Generation specs, (buttons in the right places).
  3. Complete 15 dives this year.
  4. End the year at a less weight than I started this year.
  5. Go on at least 12 hikes this year.
  6. obtain more certifications than I have started with this year.
  7. Complete one post on this blog per week.
  8. Go to the Hamilton Air Show  this year as a DH Mosquito is flying in it.
  9. Replace my passport.
  10. ? ? ?


Well I guess that’s it for my first blog post of 2013.  51 more to go.  Please be nice on the suggestions for the tenth resolution, as not only would I like to see 2014, I want to see if NYC has a back to back Grand Prix with Montreal, and I want to see both of them in person.

F1’s Back to the Future or Thank You, Gianni Morbidelli!

Lovely post, Leigh. (Kiss With a Fist: Bertrand Gachot)

I have been thinking about F1’s biggest “what if?” about Gachot not spraying that taxi driver in London with CS gas and how it affects Michael Schumacher’s career. For the year 1991, I have three different viewpoints, two of which are based on facts and one of which is a rumour which was made by a team to cover its tracks. First to simply things, let us say that we only have the ability to make the one small chance to F1 history in 1991, and that done, things like the order that the cars finished a race stays the same after qualifying for the Belgium Grand Prix for every race. (Basically I am saying that Michael Schumacher drives no better than Roberto Moreno did at Benetton, and looking at their results at Benetton, it was a safe assumption….) Furthermore, I see that this one slight change directly affects the outcome of Alex Zanardi, as Gachot’s replacement at Jordan, and for this we have know way of guessing what the immediate future will hold of him.

At the end of the 1991 to the start of 1992 season, we also have no idea of the effect of our one slight change has beyond some idea of who’s contract is still valid for which team. However, with Benetton being able to get Schumacher from Jordan in real history, it surely seems more than possible that Benetton will have Schumacher in 1992, and thus the line-up of 1992 in our alternate history looks like it has no surprises from the actual 1992 line up, but that is another story. The more we project our slight little change into the future, the more uncertain and more difficult it is for us to return to actual present. Therefore this “What If” will only concentrate on the events of the 1991 season until its conclusion.

So grab a bowler and an umbrella. Let us set our Wayback time machine (cleverly disguised as a red British Public Telephone Booth) to 1991 and use the cutest girl we have to hail the Taxi Cab that was meant for Gachot to take us to Heathrow Airport (Do not worry, we can take the tube back to London…). Gachot takes the next cab, and not needing to use his CS canister against this new taxi cab driver Gachot gets to race in the ’91 Belgium Grand Prix for Jordan after all. Sadly, due to our inability to control further events from the time of catching Gachot’s cab our “European driver from parts unsure” retires on the first lap due to clutch problems! Looking at how his replacements did historically, and Gachot being roughly equal in capability to them all it is not too hard to see Gachot still getting just a couple of ninth place finishes, a tenth place finish and bunch of retirements. Either way, shall history be changed by saying Mauricio Gugelmin will be replacing Gachot for the 1992 season instead of Stefano Modena? Six of one and half a dozen of the other to me…

Now what happens to Schumacher?

  • Based on historical facts as to the order of precedence that Mercedes wanted their Sportcars drivers to enter F1, namely Schumacher, Wendlinger, and Frentzen:
  1. The result was that Schumacher got a deal with Jordan after Gachot sprayed the taxi driver. Wendlinger gets a two race deal with Leyton House, replacing Ivan Capelli. And Frenzten has to drive sportcars for Mercedes.
  2. So with Capelli leaving Leyton House and Gachot getting a tenth and nineth place finishes (actual result for Moreno and Zanardi) Schumacher is the first driver available at Mercedes to enter F1 è With Leyton House! The real funny thing is, just looking at the actual results of the last two races in the 1991, it would have turned out better for Michael, getting a 20th place in Australia as opposed to the double retirements in the Benetton….
  • There is a possibility that is based on the rumour that Roberto Moreno was too in awe of his teammate Nelson Piquet. This seems silly to me, as Benetton’s results overall where reasonably close, with Piquet being a former world champion after all. On the flip side of the coin Piquet was the one who had the higher positions, especially on the few times they both finished the race. But it was Benetton who dumped Moreno to get Schumacher from Jordan so I will pretend for this theory that Benetton was looking for the right driver to sack Moreno with and we have Schumacher joining Benetton sometime after the Belgium Grand Prix…Boy what Mystic abilities are displayed here…….But the important difference here is that Schumacher has joined Benetton directly from the Mercedes Sportscar program! The more I think about this possibility the more I doubt that Benetton would take a risk on a rookie German driver…maybe one on that has a few races under his belt at Leyton House, although….
  • My last idea has Alain Prost complaining that his Ferrari is a truck too drive one too many times and well, it is Gianni Morbidelli, (who ?), Dario Benuzzi (wha ?) Andrea Montermini (Ferrari had a female test driver ???) or “German rookie” to the rescue….filling in for the fired Frenchman.

If you are having as much a tough time trying to remember who these people are as well as I am (Andrea could be both a guy and gal’s name in Italian after all), then can you really blame Ferrari for punting a “German rookie” on the last race of the F1 season so that your “nobody” test drivers can continue work on the 1992 car? (No hindsight here, but the 1992 Ferrari needed a lot more work to be done to it at the end of 1992 season to make it into a racing car) ….but well, let us face it, Ferrari went after and still does go after “veteran” F1 drivers and there was better odds of finding a snowball in Hell than a rookie at Ferrari, right?

So as we return to our time machine and realized that we were too clever with camouflaging our time machine in plain sight as there a little girl using it to call someone. If we reflect back, under the theory that Schumacher was the most available driver at Mercedes, we would have find Schumacher driving for Leyton House as a worst case situation for the final two races of the 1991 season. Unless Benetton was ready to sack Moreno to the point of hiring a rookie driver, which face it, was not that unlikely. Either way we have Schumacher in 1992 with March (previously known as Leyton House, under the same terms as the historical Windlinger deal) or more likely Benetton. (Either by getting him from direct from Mercedes to replace Moreno or more likely getting him from Leyton House before they become March)

Anyway, with the lass gone we can now dial up our co-ordinates to get back home (yes, it’s a rotary dial, it is 1991, after all), and drop 2 000 pounds for the long distance fee (2 000 pounds is way more than a ton of money….) into the slot, ‘cause I do not think we can reverse the charges…..

“Out of Service! Crap! Even in the future, nothing works!” Stupid British Telecom….

The Great Stadium Debate

Okay, for whatever reason the city aldermen have decided to build a stadium for the Pan-Am games at the West Harbour of Hamilton.  It is to be for the soccer games and hold some 15 000 people.  The City, Provincial, and Federal governments have all agreed to chip in as long as there is a major tenant in the stadium after the games.

That makes sense.  We all agree at the days of funding white elephants have gone by the way side.  The problem is that well, we have ancient stadium that holds somewhere in the neighbourhood of 30 000 plus fans, and short of doubling their ticket prices, how on earth do your expect the team to make the same about of revenue as they did in the ancient stadium?

Below is a chart which shows the attendance at each Tiger Cat Home Game last year.  The overflow is the number of fans that would be set home because the 15 000 seat stadium would have been filled to capacity at that point.

Game Week Attendance Overflow %age Overflow New Price of $20.00 ticket
1 B (Pre) 16 225 1 225 8.167 21.64
2 1 23 221 8 211 54.740 30.95
3 3 24 292 9 292 61.947 32.39
4 5 20103 5103 34.02 26.81
5 6 19206 4206 28.04 25.61
6 10 30293 15293 101.953 40.40
7 12 19448 4448 29.653 25.94
8 13 22083 7083 47.22 29.45
9 15 19562 4562 30.41 26.09
10 18 24586 9586 63.907 32.79

The last column of this chart is the most important, it is the equivalent price of a $20.00 ticket that would have to be at the Waterfront stadium per game to generate the same amount of money that was obtained last year at Ivor Wynne. 

Are you, no, can you afford to spend  the money on an at least 28% increase in ticket prices during the regular season?  to have the exact same view of the field that you had from Ivor Wynne?  Can you do the same for the remaining games of the season?  Bear in mind that these prices quoted where for the cheap seats.

If the answer is “No” to one or both these questions then you can now see why Bob Young does not want the Tiger cats to play in the new stadium.  It just does not make financial sence for the team.  And if it does not make sence for the team why should they say in that stadium?

Therefore without the Tiger-Cats being in that stadium, does the Harbourfront stadium make sence anymore?

With the East Mountain and Centennial Beach locations no longer on the table and the questionable ability for the team to make money at Ivor Wynne, where there is double the seats as the West Harbour, why not move to Aldershot?

Weekend Wanderings

This upcoming weekend, (February 27 and 28) I am going to the Toronto Outdoor Adventure Show by the Toronto International Airport. This will be my fourth time that I attend this show, but this time It will be a little different in that for half the weekend I plan to attend as one of the members of my hiking group, which are first time vendors this year.

Normally, I attend as a potential customer for the Dive Shops that show up. I do have my own set of gear, but I am afraid that there are some additional “toys” that I would love to have if I won the lottery. But more importantly I am trying to find out more dive sites to dive at, which Dive Shops are still around and what they are planning to do locally for dive trips. I encourage other divers in the Greater GTA / Golden Horseshoe and South-Western Ontario area to come to this show and do likewise, especially if you are without dive buddies of your own.  Hopefully you can either find another diver close by, or a dive club or a dive shop to go diving with, and everybody wins.

But it not just a Scuba Show by any stretch of the imagination – other adventures are displayed as well. At previous shows I have seen at least three white water rafting companies all pushing the Ottawa River, a glider airplane school, a submarine school and tourism companies of various countries.

Myself, I will be pushing my hometown and its latest plan to re-brand itself the Waterfall Capital of the World. I am a member of a hiking/photography group that finds and takes pictures of the various waterfalls that are within my city’s limits. And my group are pushing our hikes in the hopes of attracting more visitors to see them….

I hope you see you there.